Today's Round Table
- Jon "JONK" "Jonkasual" Kilcullen
- Thundercloud
- Edwin "Lupe" Moriarty
- Kenji
- Neon
- Ilor
- Raf "CaptainRaffi" Cordero
- Robert "TheChirurgeon" Jones
How does your story here begin - what sparked your love for local game stores?
Thundercloud: I would say some of my fondest childhood memories are having my friends come round to my house, getting out my six by four table and variety of scenery either from the 2nd ed 40k box, 4th ed fantasy box, card scenery from White Dwarf or all three (to which was later added the Gorkamorka scenery) and playing dumb games of 40k with everything we had, which for my marines was Space Crusade devastator squads and tarantulas, 2nd ed marines, and a smattering of metal characters and Terminators. Where did I go to play big games? The GW in the city centre. As it was only 4 and a bit miles, it was an ok walk. This was the 90s where as long as one child survived to adulthood no one judged you, so my mother wasn’t fussed at me disappearing for the day, and I had seen the UK government safety video about stranger danger by the official UK government representative for child safety, Jimmy Savile.
It had a big table, and did ‘Saturday Games’ which were a big thing in official GW stores in the early 90s, where you had giant in store battles featuring the big release of the month, and could bring your own stuff or use store miniatures. I dread to think how much painting staff had to do in those days.
Kenji: As odd as it sounds, I actually never really encountered Warhammer or miniatures games until much later in my time going to LGS; the first time I did was a small store in Pennsylvania, where I was going for my PhD. The store was basically the nerd oasis in what was otherwise a totally devoid of almost anything else to do desert, and I was playing Magic at the time. That store originally started by selling baseball cards, and some students convinced the older owner to expand to things like Magic, Warhammer, and D&D. I probably wouldn’t even be interested in the hobby without that place, and I think it perfectly encapsulates the idea of a FLGS: a place for people to be, rather than just a store.
Neon: North East England is strangely flush for choice in Games Workshop stores, and while one of them was shut down at the time I was getting into Hams, I had three different GWs just to choose from, never mind the various other nerd and hobby stores around those. After being enlightened into the hobby via trampling on a cousin’s Sauron figure in the middle of the night, I’d regularly pester my Da’ to take me in particular to the Newcastle store, spending every last shred of pocket money on figures that my clumsy child fingers would mangle, or to the various other geeky shops that hung around the same glorious stretch of road towards Central Station.
As I got older and started to actually take interest in, y’know, actually playing the game. I mostly started bouncing between Sunderland and South Shields, hustling for pick up games and mostly making a nuisance of myself. Sunderland more won out over time though, especially as a indie FLGS sprung up that’d become my regular haunt, the now sadly defunct Colosseum Rex.When I moved to college, I was pleasantly surprised to find a Rider’s location there as well. Over the years, many of these locations closed down, either because the rents got too high or because the owners retired. Other game stores have come and gone, but these physical locations are incredibly important for the hobby. Seeing something in a window is often enough to spark your interest and imagination in a way to which seeing a photo online doesn’t really compare. And were it not for the helpful and endlessly patient staff, I may not have had the opportunity to develop so many of the hobbies I love so much.
The other store was Quinta Dimensione, a local comics and, at the time, game store in Ferrara, Italy, where I discovered Warhammer 40k. My family moved there when I was in the seventh grade and I spent all summer hanging out at that store, playing Magic and talking to the locals. I was fluent in Italian by the end of my first summer, largely because I spent several hours a day talking to Italians and picking up the language playing cards. Later that would shift more to Warhammer, where I'd lose dozens of games of 2nd edition to an Eldar player named Giovanni. When I returned to the states, I brought my interest in 40k back with me, and took up playing that again at DoK. Playing at the local shop was a massive part of how I made friends in Italy and learned the language and the store gave us the tables, space, and terrain to do all of that.
What do your local FLGs mean to you?
So I'd say "Thank you" to IWantThatStuff, Maxx collectibles, Gameknight games, and our local GW - without your shops my community would be non-existent and I would not have a platform like this to tell other players why they should re-consider buying non-local and actually walk into their FLGs
But for me, the FLGS is of massive important far beyond my personal enjoyment. I’m a freelance games designer and writer, and that means that I don’t have the resources behind me (always, at least) of a studio and a space for dedicated playtesting. It’s great when I work with a company that can provide that, but the Dice Cup has offered a wonderful space, a private backroom, for playtests and demos and other key parts of my job. Without that dedicated gaming space my job would be much much harder… as anyone who’s heard me complain about how hard it is during lockdown can attest. The FLGS isn’t just about a single business, it’s about the network of companies and creatives that use it as their point of contact, and someone workspace, that produce the games everyone loves.
Thundercloud: I run my local LGS with my wife, the more business minded of the two of us. It’s a small store but we enjoy it. Covid has been hard for us, and the virus has claimed the business we were going to cooperate with to run events (the large events business opposite with table space suitable for tournaments is no longer with us). With the current restrictions and best practice to keep people safe it means it’ll likely be months before events happen at the store. If Covid in the UK follows the standard Coronavirus curve (winter peaks, summer dips) going forward we may see a pattern of Summer events and more quiet and socially distanced winters.
Over the various lockdowns we’ve been delivering people’s stuff to their doors, and we’re now reopened as we’ve both had vaccinations and business is slow due to people still working from home (and hence fewer people travelling to the city centre). It’s been good to see our customers and help keep them engaged in the hobby in what has been, for most people, a pretty difficult time.
Kenji: I live in a somewhat interesting crux of a place that should have more LGS, but actually has very few. Technically, CSI is a “Local Game Store” to me, and the other “FLGS” is a giant chain of comic book stores that have swallowed almost all local businesses. So, when I do find an actual “Local” game store, I always try to support them in any way that I can. Ironically, this is never easy: it’s a mixture of available, affordable, or distant, in a “pick 2” sort of capacity. Before COVID, though, a single LGS was “my” LGS, in that it was the place that helped me finally get into the hobby more and play games. There was a vibrant Guild Ball community there, a huge Infinity crowd, as well as AoS and even MESBG. Sadly, COVID claimed the business, and I’ve spent the year realizing I no longer have a store to go to or play at, or any way to easily meet new players. While my partner loves board games, they aren’t as keen on miniatures, and my housing situation prohibits me from hosting or having my own table, meaning I’m reliant on stores for places to play and explore the hobby. LGS are vital for this, and the few that remain here in the wake of chain stores are becoming fewer and far between post-pandemic; so while I might indeed pay a few dollars more for a board game than I can on Amazon or CSI, the investment is, in some small way, in hopes of one day getting to actually enjoy my miniature hobbying again.
Neon: Community. Above absolutely everything else, Community. The best stores I’ve ever been in aren’t the ones with the greatest range of stock, or the best locations, they’ve been the ones with the most vibrant and passionate communities. A big reason I started drifting away from the bigger “better” stores in Newcastle and Gateshead was because I couldn’t feel at home in them, their were too many people, too many cliques and sub-communities. Shields and Sunderland won out because they were small and they were welcoming without being indiscriminate about the kind of nerds they let in, and then Rex started winning out above them because the guys who ran it were very careful about the kind of environment they encouraged, especially at gaming nights and FNM.
I think one under-looked at aspect of the importance of indie LFGS’s is their impact on smaller games and building player-bases. We managed to get a budding Guild Ball scene rolling shortly before the game's 2nd edition launched and were starting to attract a growing crowd. Unfortunately as the first signs of the game's 3rd edition started to rear its head, Rex shut down and the scene essentially imploded instantly, our scattered attempts to keep it on life-support failing because that support structure was gone utterly.Without an FLGS, that would not have been possible. Gaming is so often a hobby that takes place in peoples’ basements and garages, and without a centrally-located establishment for people to meet and mingle, you’ll definitely miss out on what might very well turn out to be life-long friends.
Why is it so important to support your local stores and how can you do this?
A Lot of these stores are run by people that did not get into the business to be rich, let's be honest, B&M shops are not hugely profitable. What they provide is an experience that we hit on in our nostalgia section, all of us have some kind of experience like this and without your FLGs you risk losing these experiences for the next generation of gamers which will eventually just kill your communities. Finding places to run events will be very hard coming out of covid with rising rental prices and with shops disappearing this could lead to a real hard time for TO’s, especially if you also can not find prize support via these shops anymore.
From a competitive players perspective a local shop represents a hub that I can tap to increase my player base and advertise my events. Competitive play is such a small part of the community and these shops usually have dozens of basement hammer groups that show up, buy a couple models and then are not seen for a couple weeks. Getting into the shops and meeting these people and having chats to get games with them in hopes of linking up our groups is a really important part of the local communities growth. Removing even a single shop in the city represents hundreds of players that just disappear from the community's consciousness.
There are many ways to support your local shops beyond just buying tons of models (this will help though). For myself I do my best to make contact with every shop when I can and just ask them how things are going. Sometimes just reaching out to your shops and sending them a friendly email or posting on their social media that you are concerned about them and really can't wait for a time where you can be in the shops again will make their day and give them some much needed hope. For cities with many shops I would really encourage you all to go out of your way and either walk into a shop that isn't your normal stomping grounds or send them a PM saying that when things open up again you and your friends will make efforts to try out their shops, will really be encouraging for them. This is absolutely critical for those of you who are TO’s and those that run teams. You want facetime and contacts with every shop to open up lines of communication between player bases and shop owners so you can avoid competing scheduled events. All of this will help both you and the FLG’s. There is no downside here except some lost time investment, which we all have a lot more of right now thanks to covid.
We all have the temptations to quickly purchase items off amazon, eBay or some other online shop but I really do encourage you to by-pass the giant companies and think about your FLG’s and how meaningful it is for you to purchase some items with them. I get that right now money is tight but please consider finding some ways to either walk into the shops, make some purchases, and/or open up a line of contact and share your positive experiences you have had in their shops. It is critical for all of us that these stores survive, you WILL feel the impact of them going under.
Without these vital community hubs our hobbies can’t be the same, for a huge variety of reasons. They’re not just places to buy stuff, they’re places to find advice, other players, friends, spaces to work, creative inspiration and enthusiastic testers. For me, losing the gaming stores in the area would be an enormous blow, and I know it would be for thousands of other people in the area too.
Some stores are selling stuff online - buy from them if you can. Others are doing curbside pickup, or limited access. Please please make the most of it. It’s not about where is cheapest, it’s about keeping the beating heart of gaming alive until it’s ready to open up to us all again. Some stores are running credit campaigns (so you can buy vouchers, etc now for when they reopen) while others are just asking for money on funding platforms. It’s worth understanding what an act of desperation this is. The margins in gaming stores are never amazing, and it’s not a sector that pays well, but the people who do it, do it out of a deep love for the hobby. You’d be surprised how many stores are kept afloat by personal investment from the owner. If they’re asking for you help, it’s because there are literally no other choices - please consider it, if you can afford to.
Thundercloud: If people want spaces to game, to hold a product in their hands before they buy it, for there to be a local events scene, then you have to spend some money at your LGS.
Kenji: I’m a bit old fashioned but frankly if I cannot physically obtain a product the day of release (or the day I am aware of it) I lose interest, and that’s especially true if I can’t actually put it in my hands physically. Looking at a box, or even holding the item, goes a long way to the sort of satisfying experience of shopping for me. Only LGS offer this; as I mentioned, CSI is a “Local” store, but recently obliterated all physical stock and only ship from their warehouse now--I haven’t shopped there in over a year. Unless a game is impossible to obtain otherwise, though, I will always prefer to go to a LGS, or even wait for them to order a copy, just to have the experience overall.I think the idea that spending money is the only way to support a LGS is wrong, though. Word of mouth is really important too, as are things like SEO results; google reviews of your favorite stores can be a huge turning point these days, and it’s probably easier now to find a new store to shop at or play at (assuming they are local to you) than it ever was, but I think a lot of people neglect to consider these as ways to support their local businesses!
Also, take it from someone who lives in a fairly bustling area yet has fairly few and very far between shops: if you do not support your LGS, you will not have places to play, and if your LGS provide games other than GW products, when those stores leave or are replaced by a chain store of some form, so too are those smaller games. It is weird to say it this way, but I’ve seen it happen in front of me; our local comic book store juggernaut has swallowed smaller, game centric stores with vast ranges of products and turned them into carbon copies of their flagship stores that only carry Magic, Pokémon, some GW, and very entry level board games. It’s important to do what you can, within reason, to protect the FLGS you have, because they are not guarantees.
This is something that seems trivial in the digital age and I've seen plenty of older gamers/hobbyists talk about how they prefer private hang-outs and I honestly get that; it's much more comfortable to kick back in your own space and drink a beer and play. But you can't meet new people doing that and for younger players and newer hobbyists, that might not be an option. So it's critically important to support your local store - not just by buying things there and spending money, but by helping ensure that it's a space that's welcoming and inclusive for everybody.
Also I've found that it's easier to get something on the day of release if I have a local store hold it for me than if I pre-order it, which is a huge plus in favor of buying new stuff at the LGS.
Buying hobby things at local stores may cost more. Is it worth it - in *this* economy - just to “stay local”?
Kenji: So this might be a “hot” take, but the old saying is that you get what you pay for, so, yes--within reason. Again, could you perhaps find that game you weren’t sure about on Amazon for 50% less? Maybe. But Amazon doesn’t provide you with tables to play at, with a neutral ground for your friends to all meet up without having to juggle house cleaning or other schedules to make space, and doesn’t support smaller publishers or products as readily. However, that doesn’t mean you should just throw money at the ground of any LGS you enter, either. Part of That Article that made little sense was the idea that you are obligated to spend money at LGS out of some sort of pity. If you don’t like the price, the vibe, or whatever else, don’t spend money! Before COVID would have likely shuttered them anyway, a local store closed, taking a very hostile tone with people on their Facebook. The store accused customers of “window shopping” only to buy on Amazon, etc., but overall the reality was just that the store had a huge library of old junk titles and a fairly weird relationship with the people who shopped there. The bummer is that they were the only store in the area to offer a trade-in program! But be smart: yes, a LGS might ask you to “pay more” than Amazon or a chain like CSI or Miniature Market, but that cost is going to more than just padding the LGS’s bottom line. Also, get to know the people who work at and run your FLGS. Talk about new releases, find out how things are going. Don't annoy them - remember it's their job to be there - but you'll be surprised at how a little conversation every now and then can go a long way toward getting the inside scoop on new releases, getting someone to hold a limited edition copy for you, and making sure the store is supporting the games you want to play. The FLGS is in a very real sense a community store in that regard - they'll respond to what local customers are playing and looking to buy, and they can be interactive, creating events and leagues that drive support.
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The Goonhammer Round Table: Why it's Important to Support Your Local Game Store



